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Two passionate and articulate fellows for you this week. Broadcaster and historian Michael Cathcart is along to talk about the ways in which water has shaped our lives and haunted our imaginations. And poet John Kinsella joins us to talk about poetry with guts.

Michael Cathcart, The Water Dreamers: the Remarkable History of Our Dry Continent, Text - interviewed by Benedict Taylor

John Kinsella (ed), The Penguin Anthology of Australian Poetry, Penguin - interview by Paul Kildea

Click here for more information about the Red Room Company's event on 27 August, featuring Lionel Fogarty, at the Redfern Community Centre

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